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“Please help me persuade First Bristol to remove the 'sticky-out' bus stops on Fishponds Road” – David Mock

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David Mock

The new 'Sticky-out' Bus Stops introduced on Fishponds Road are dangerous and anti-social.

They were introduced without adequate explanation or consultation and the police have identified serious concerns regarding their safety and operation.

The GBBN team has stated that their intention is to prevent all traffic behind the bus from overtaking while the bus is at the stop. They have done this very successfully and now all traffic including bicycles and emergency service vehicles are prevented from passing the bus without pulling out into the opposite lane and facing oncoming traffic.

The GBBN Team up to Chief Executive, Head of Legal Services and Exec Member for Transport in Bristol City Council have been made aware of the problems.

I hope they do something about it before someone is killed!

And a 'no overtaking' rule would not be suitable because emergency service vehicles are currently being delayed by the congestion currently caused where none existed before!

Problem History

  • 1 David Mock reported the issue on FixMyTransport. close 14:32 30 Aug 2011
  • 2 David Mock wrote to First Bristol close 14:32 30 Aug 2011

    Here is the letter that David Mock wrote.

    New 'Sticky-out' Bus Stops are dangerous and anti-social

    The new 'Sticky-out' Bus Stops introduced on Fishponds Road are dangerous and anti-social.

    They were introduced without adequate explanation or consultation and the police have identified serious concerns regarding their safety and operation.

    The GBBN team has stated that their intention is to prevent all traffic behind the bus from overtaking while the bus is at the stop. They have done this very successfully and now all traffic including bicycles and emergency service vehicles are prevented from passing the bus without pulling out into the opposite lane and facing oncoming traffic.

    The GBBN Team up to Chief Executive, Head of Legal Services and Exec Member for Transport in Bristol City Council have been made aware of the problems.

    I hope they do something about it before someone is killed!

    And a 'no overtaking' rule would not be suitable because emergency service vehicles are currently being delayed by the congestion currently caused where none existed before!

  • 3 Myf Nixon commented close 15:25 30 Aug 2011

    Good luck, Dave! We'll be watching this correspondence with interest.

    Is "sticky out" the technical term? ;)

    anorak
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  • 4 Shaun McDonald commented close 16:59 30 Aug 2011

    I've got a feeling that this will need to go to the local council rather than the bus company. I know this has been done in other places to stop people parking at bus stops, where there have been problems that buses either couldn't pull into the bus stop, or couldn't pull out of the bus stop back into the flow of traffic as no one was letting them out.

    anorak
  • 5 Paul JaYmes commented close 18:38 30 Aug 2011

    These are quite common in London, and can prevent dangerous overtaking of buses trying to pull out, also selfish drivers who just hold the bus up by not allowing it to pull away from the stop.

    It does depend on the local street layout and level of traffic as to whether it's appropriate though. It also depends how busy the bus stop is and how people are paying - if it's a busy stop with lots of people paying cash the buses are going to be there for a while which isn't so good.

    If the road is usually busy and the bus is only stopped generally for a under a minute, it really doesn't make much difference to traffic flow, but it can make an enormous difference to bus journey times. So you really need to justify more why it's not appropriate in this location - just scaremongering about safety doesn't cut it I'm afraid - it makes you sound like you're an impatient driver only thinking of yourself.

  • 6 fishponds man commented close 09:13 31 Aug 2011

    Yes they can work in London with full buses and lots of passengers also with the oyster card it make the process very quick, the Fishponds Rd project has none of these things. It's busy between 7:45am & 9am as we already have a peak time bus lane that works fine.

    BCC have given me 3 reasons for the projected stops (visibility, buses unable to get into the traffic flow & disabled access), I have been asking for 6 Months for the actual evidence (I stupidly thought thought if BCC said there was a problem they would have the evidence to back it up, silly me), they have no evidence so more recently BCC have given me completely different reasons for the stops which makes no sense. New reason is the width of the pavement, which is strange as one of the stops which hasn't been projected has a narrower pavement than the others. Once again BCC embark on yet another road project based on their perception.

    The reason for the GBBN, projected stops etc has nothing to do with public transport. Its all about BCC generating their own work for 5yrs they have had a GBBN team employing 100's. They are already on about additional works to cope with the new rat runs created by the bus lane and stops, its work for years to come for certain senior people within BCC. I know this to be a fact as BCC never actually carried out any research for the bus lane to see if it was needed. After the consultation started BCC still didn't have any figures or research, it wasn't until Months into the consultation that BCC actually conducted any research and it turned out that all this so a bus MIGHT save 30secs on Fishponds Rd. First Bus describe the route through Fishponds Rd as 'insignificant to their operations'

  • 7 Jon Taylor commented close 15:59 31 Aug 2011

    I find them downright dangerous when cycling. I'd love to know how they can be reconciled with the "Better by bike" campaign that the council also seem only too happy to waste money on. I've never seen busses having a problem bullying their way out into traffic so I don't buy the argument that they're needed for that reason. I'd also be against any "no overtaking" as on a bike I'm usually quicker than the bus - holding me up further would only be another blow against the supposed benefits of cycling.

  • 8 fishponds man commented close 16:10 31 Aug 2011

    Funnily enough Jon, I have a document from the police who have observed the projected stops. They call them dangerous especially for cyclists, I have sent the document to Jon Rogers at the council (the cycling guru) for his comments which he has failed to do. If you leave your email address on this forum I'll email you a copy it makes for interesting reading.

    Re the buses pulling out, check the highway code I believe buses have the right of way when pulling out so the one of the main reasons for the stops is irrelevant. The project leader for the GBBN claims its not a problem them being dangerous as they can't be held accountable for driver conducting illegal manoeuvres (i.e. over taking buses). I have tried asking the project leader to check his own highway code, its not illegal overtaking on Fishponds Rd. BCC have quite a few highly paid project managers working on major road schemes who don't seem to know the very basic laws of the highway, which really doesn't surprise me.

  • 9 Stephanie Minns commented close 18:31 01 Sep 2011

    Last week an ambulance was unable to pass as a bus had pulled in at one of the stops near Morrisons, causing a traffic jam behind it - we were stuck nose to tail with no where to go.
    Several minutes were wasted as cars in the opposite lane manouvered and even drove up onto the pavement so it could get through. I'm sure this won't be a one off and the tailbacks caused by the buses in rush hour are ridiculous.
    Once upon a time traffic flowed freely and even buses could pull past each other at stops - now, what with the extended stops and islands, that can't happen. It seems self defeating if the intention was to speed up travel time for buses and ease congestion.

  • 10 David Mock added an update close 13:10 06 Sep 2011

    http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/New-website-help-Bristolians-public-transport/story-13253860-detail/story.html

  • 11 David Mock added an update close 10:19 28 Sep 2011

    Criticism of the Bath Road GBBN Route in todays Bristol Evening Post. http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Businesses-condemn-nightmare-roadworks/story-13418115-detail/story.html

  • 12 David Mock commented close 00:33 26 Jan 2012

    Delays and traffic queues are worse now than before the bus stops were built out.

    Delays and traffic queues now occur even during off-peak periods including evenings and weekends. Bristol City Council refuse to admit that there is a problem and continue to install similar stops on other routes within the city.

    The council has been informed by local councillors and the public of concerns that the bus stops make the routes less safe and impede the progress of emergency vehicles.

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